This illustrates just how long after their obsolescence, that bureaucratic inertia can demand retention of items in military stores. Over the years I have received many emails regarding serial numbers. An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a British viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Prince-Smith examples. !o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. Welcome to the forum. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. 0000001570 00000 n The No. This condition remained until the end of the No4T life and the introduction of its replacement - the L42. "S" inside a square That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. No. With Hitler's war machine on the move, the British needed an accurate, mass-production rifle. 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . BSA experienced a third level of maker coding change - each of its factories were given an "A,B,C" location definition. 4 Mk. Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. II bayonets packaged in a cardboard carton. 4 was 44 12" long, weighed 8 lbs., 11 ozs., and had been adopted in 1939 to replace the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)renamed the No. . Commercially, in the United States, these rifles have not been widely available for some time, although nice unsporterized examples can still be found. Nice rifle regardless That was my original though, I know I wont get a 100g% sure answer I'm just looking for most likely. Feb 9, 2020. Had a look at Skennerton, and did not find much. Then after the lessons and material losses of the BEF in Europe, the No4T was hurried into existence and the 1907 USA leather slings were applied to it as standard equipment. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Exploded View: Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mk III, 'A Grisly Business:' Australias Lee-Enfield Sniper Rifle, Reviving An Enfield: RTIs Imported No. The Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947 and replaced the Long Branch trademark used during the Second World War. We set ourselves apart by supplying unique parts at a good value and standing by our products by offering outstanding customer service. Along with this will be the model designation, and below this, the serial number. Quest starts at lvl15+. No fluff here is the real guff on the #4 mk1 : No4 MkI - All About Enfields and another Britains Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle - History By Cammack happy reading ,Try find a British made one you know its going to be far better than some copy from over the water Broadarrow Well-Known Member Oct 30, 2018 #7 ''Parkerised'' Long branch nO 4 These came together as you see them; bayonet and sheath have "4" painted on. The rifle was dated 1942 and a lot of the No 4 and some No 1 SMLEs issued to South Africa was eventually sold to the SAP agencies then onto the surplus market. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . Lee-Enfield No. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? The box label indicates that these were packed November 1963, at the 5th Storage Depot. During the war, the No. Qty 1 endstream endobj 770 0 obj<> endobj 771 0 obj<> endobj 773 0 obj<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/ExtGState<>>>>> endobj 774 0 obj[775 0 R 776 0 R] endobj 775 0 obj<> endobj 776 0 obj<> endobj 777 0 obj<> endobj 778 0 obj<> endobj 779 0 obj<> endobj 780 0 obj/DeviceGray endobj 781 0 obj<> endobj 782 0 obj<>stream More likely then not,it started life at the Long Branch plant. Our Price: 295.00: Gunner Points: 29: Stock Info: 1 In Stock: Parker Hale 8/53 Lee Enfield No4 rear sight (PH1) . 4 socket bayonets produced. I will have to check through Skennerton tonight. 0000002767 00000 n Sight system is wing protected blade front with flip up dual aperture rear, with calibrations of 800 yards. The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. 4 mm. II* bayonets have been observed with an arrow over "D" marking on the front of the socket. Since the overall length is 46", it will fit many other rifles. 150.00. I scabbard may have been made in the USA, given the lack of any maker's or proof marks. A quantity of No. S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. N30 over H&B (pictured at left). The leather is quite thin, suggesting that this might have been done for civilian (e.g., police) use, rather than military use. 0000013109 00000 n This example bears the Canadian Government acceptance mark, indicating use by Canadian Forces. by verdenpark 30 Mar 2012, 08:34, Post When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. Plastic Mk. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. 4 rifles and bayonets after Belgium was liberated in September 1944. 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Of the rifles I have examined this appears 1 in 10 or so times on real rifles - applicable to 1943 to 1946 production. The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section, The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, The Allies and the Neutral States in general, German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier, http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Dating%20your%20rifle.htm, http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsfo opic/38127. 4Mk. You're probably going to have to "infer" its origins from things like proof marks. For the rifles produced in North America, American black walnut was consistently used, with birch used as a substitute when walnut was not available. The company was established on the bombed out site of the South East London Indoor Sports Club (destroyed in the blitz bombings of 194041), solely to make bayonets. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. However, this has not been substantiated. 4 spike bayonets used by Turkey. Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps under the blackened surface - except the serial which may be a light stamp or a very precise electro-pencil. A listing of British and Commonwealth bayonet markings is available on Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. Post The beechwood furniture is smooth, bright and unblemished. It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. The factory eventually went on to produce cylinder heads for Davey-Paxman landing craft engines. Many Baird examples have a crowned IG mark on the socket. 4 rifle into at least the 1960s. Vanden Plas (Eng) 1923 Ltd. of Kingsbury Rd., London produced approximately 950,000 Mk. This one was no different. Canadian Arsenals marked their bayonets with an "A" nested inside a "C". Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. I markings were reminiscent of how Pattern 1907 bayonets were marked, with the royal cypher, type, and maker. Long branch bayonets are marked with a superimposed "L" and "B". 0000004592 00000 n Since the Government arms factories were already running at capacity producing rifles and machine guns, private contracts were let for bayonet production. Magazine is 10 round factory issue, 10+1 rounds . However, the Rijkswacht (Gendarmerie) used the No. In 1943, Prince-Smith was assigned the dispersal code N56. The factory site was razed to accommodate (apartment) flats in the mid-1980s. JavaScript is disabled. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. II*, all in the UK: Prince-Smith & Stells, Howard & Bullough, Lewisham Engineering, and the Baird Manufacturing Co. 1.4million No. The wood shop feeding Longbranch in Canada did yield some orignal NOS Canadian Destined cheek pieces in the last decade. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. The Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle Mk 1 was produced by a variety of different manufacturers in England. It has been consistently observed but no reason or original documentation found to support it. BSA from 1943 to 1945 was receiving fore wood and buttstock sets from Sykes Limited in walnut - these were marked S.L. Method III Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. I will continue to add additional variants as I acquire additional pieces. Due to similarities with Indian Government acceptance marks, this was once thought to possibly indicate Indian service. [35] Photo to follow, when I can work out how to post one. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. 5 will have "Rifle No 5 Mk I" electrostencilled there, [20] while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings or markings from manufacturers who did not make the No. The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". Our Price: 195.00: Gunner Points: 19: Stock Info: Out Of Stock: CR322 LE4 Sling swivel. This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. 4 Mk. There are fewer finer rifles that are a pleasure to own, enjoy and shoot than the peacetime made Lee Enfield No4 Mk2. 2 mm. Brass is said to have been an alternative screw material, but I have yet to see them installed - even in Ts from other nations. Fazakerley also continued to produce the rifle for foreign contracts after the war. The tooling is rough, the bayonet is little more than a . 0000013021 00000 n II* bayonet has Arabic markings on the socket. VNS mark represents "Viners Ltd. Sheffield, England" a subcontractor of Enfield parts. 4 rifles were imported to the USA from Turkey in the mid-2000s. 2018 at 7:33am: he! P.S.K. 1.5 - Added 200% more memes for all my Brazilian fans. Being a Mk1* we knew that though. Scabbard (frog stud): "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark. The serial number is DA22567A, above the serial number it says NO.4 MK1 F (FTR) that is all the markings I can really see on the gun and I was wondering what year the rifle was made, the model it is, & how much it is . 0000000756 00000 n If anyone can help me out I would really appreciate it. These were purchased from the USA as supplies in the great war (WW1) along with the Pattern 14 rifle (amongst other materials). Canadian Arsenals, Ltd. was the post-war successor to Long Branch. The rod of this example is marked S7, indicating manufacture by subcontractor Auto Engineering Ltd. of Croydon. For example, No. Only 75,000 of this type were made. In practice and service, the size, position and shape of the cheekpiece was altered to suite the needs of the snipe that the rifle was designated for - these are an interesting study within themselves. be forewarned, Spike Fever is contagious! It was a further simplification and cut down on both material costs and machine time in its construction, much as the No. The period of manufacture is believed to be late-1940s or early-1950s. The metal components of the early examples were oil blackened, making a durable dull black finish. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". Along with the manufacturers name both the date of manufacture and the type and mark of the rifle is also shown. Westland of Croyden - an alternative to their "C.E.W. There are more but again I would suggest reading either Skip Strattons or Ian Skennertons books on the subject. British infantry rifle Lee -Enfield No.4 Mark 1 of WW2. 4Mk. Apart from the markings as stated above, you should take note of the woodwork. Auto Engineering produced approx. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. Advertisements. "AM/712" indicates procurement via an Air Ministry (RAF) contract. The rifle was a No. 1 scabbards. They would apply this mark to th butt heel - running along the axis of the rifle - red with the muzzle on the left. 4 Mk. 4Mk. II*, with approximately 161,026 reported produced, during 19421943. 4 Mk. $15.50. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. 0000003043 00000 n 4 scabbards, the Securing Tab remained in British Army stores until the mid-1970s. N30 (pictured at left) Each loop does its own job - the middle loop of each is for the biceps - typically retaining at least one keeper to synch down around the middle of the upper arm when in position. Cure Date: (pictured at left) 4 Mk. The other day I bought a No.4 mk1 Lee Enfield from a gun shop and I need some help identifying it. P.S.S. No idea what it means on a No.4. 4 Mk. Longbranch No. 4 spike bayonet. The bayonet and socket were one solid forging. Pakistan and India added the "Ishapore" screw to reinforce the front wood forward of the knox (more likely job creation for armourers). Method: 1 Many minor variations in parts are present across the different manufacturers and for the different years that the rifles were produced. Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). xref The leather belt frog is of unknown origin. 4 Mk. II: Singer in Scotland, the Savage Stevens Co. in the USA, and Long Branch in Canada. This suggests production by a private contractor that was paid according to the number of pieces accepted. 769 23 Although some knife bayonet designs were considered, most types submitted utilized a cruciform blade. The No. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. This indicates the length of the bolt head with the larger numbers being the longer bolt heads. These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. AA was webbing. A general guide for military surplus rifles, pistols, and ammunition. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($24.62) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $603.36 . WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. 4 bayonet. Some of these rifles seemed to have laid in stores until the end of the war and then they and and the remains of the BSA marks were furiously converted to "T" status by H&H while the contract lasted. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. Mar 09 Bodnar's Auction Sales. Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. According to Skennerton, 25,000 experimental MkII scabbards were manufactured by the Franco-British Electrical Company, Tempel Park, Hurley. The final result in March 1944 became the No. "S" inside a square. Socket: "G (Crown) R" over No 4 Mk I" over "S M", Blade (flute): Broad Arrow over "22" (in electropencil). 30,000 rod forgings. I (T) and No. I. I've been privileged to shoot Lee-Enfield rifles before and have always found them to be worthy of their reputation as well built, accurate rifles. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. There must have been a lot of them to survive 2 world wars and all the action and attrition they were exposed to. The mark and type of rifle will be stamped onto the left side receiver wall. The No. These were the last No. These were supplied to the British under the Lend-Lease Act. VIEWS. The No. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. by gruff27 23 Mar 2012, 11:37, Post So it figures that the right S51 is almost always from Hollands and there are less of them due to service attrition than there are real No4Ts that can evidence them. So usually to get the old barrel off I cut a groove relief just forward of the receiver to relieve the pressure. 4 Mk I Long Branch aperture sights In 1926, the British Army changed its nomenclature; the SMLE became known as the Rifle No. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. In correspondence, Anthony Carter indicated that Brades was the maker of many of the entrenching tools. On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? Entrenching tool with helve (handle) that accepts the No. 4 Mark I rifle was adopted on Nov. 15, 1939. 4 Mk. Hollands being the hand made shotgun and rifle masters took the specified "high street" sourced screws and blued the heads. I and some Prince-Smith examples exhibiting rough tool marks. Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? . As interest in replacing the No. Batch No: The "S" was added to indicate the need for this re-zeroing as a subsequent step. III rifle also began to take hold, different mounting systems were tried. 1 scabbards. . Armourers would not make a buttstock with S51 for spare parts. There are almost 2 years of rifle production that did not receive this triangular sling swivel at the factory and would have it added in service - especially prolonged Cold War British service - it is still possible to encounter a rifle that was an early discharge / loss that never received the triangular swivel update. 4 Spike Bayonet Manufacturers Chart. The butt stock above was taken from a real BSA No4T - it is clearly a service replacement - but not by a British armorer - the serial number for the rifle is stamped with 2 sets of numbers - on 3/8" and the other 1/4" - rather crookedly. i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed. The example shown is marked M47C for BSA Shirley and is also browned. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. 4 spike bayonet. 3 MK. The maker is unknown, but is believed to be Belgian. Howard & Bullough converted from the manufacture of cotton spinning machines to the production of shells, gun carriages, mine sinkers, aircraft components, and bayonets. The Enfield No4 MK1 was one of the most prominent battle rifles ever produced. I was beautifully made, with its distinctive cruciform blade. An additional 1944 Wrist / Action stamping group - an excellent condition example. Unissued Savage Enfield No 4 Mk1 Rifle , 303 British. It was a simplified version of the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield rifle that served the Empire so well in the first unpleasantness. over S376, inside a rectangle. This is one of the most frequently (attempted) reproduced / forged marks of all the No4T marks. It is found on early rifles that saw full service (1941 Maltby - un-peened pad screws evident), It is on unissued "scopeless" rifles from 1944 and on later "scopeless" and service experienced 1945 rifles. The significance of this mark is not known. Interesting feedback, here are all other markings that I can find. That looks like an interesting rifle. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. If you are lucky enough to have an unmolested No4 mk1T, then you could have a rifle, scope and accessories that represent one of the 4 years of production at Holland and Holland, or as it was updated and repaired by British Armorers or other installments of service history. It carries the scabbard with the frog stud inwards, where belt frogs almost universally carry scabbards frog stud outwards. These rifles have not been available in original condition for decades. Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. Enfield Rifle For Sale. In September 1945, nomenclature was changed to replace Roman numerals with Arabic numerals. Socket (right): The following maker marks are pictured at left: This scabbard is pictured on page 133 of Graham Priests book, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century. According to the author, the example in my collection is still the only brass-throated scabbard reported. You must log in or register to reply here. "S" 196,200 were produced, all by Joseph Lucas Ltd., Chester Street, Birmingham. 4) Several arrow looking things located all over the rifle III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. 4Mk. The 2ndNZEF fought in the North African and European Theatres as part of the British 8th Army. This Mk. 4Mk. III was the final, and crudest, form of the No. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. Savage marked their bayonets with the letter "S". However, these scabbards are encountered far too frequently for only 25,000 to have been made. Very good 5 groove barrel. They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). 5 Mk 1, unofficially nicknamed "Jungle Carbine.". This example was manufactured post-War for Belgium. 4 bayonets went to New Zealand. The last picture shows an unusual Prince-Smith mark comprised of a large "56" on the socket face. I know it was made in north America I'm just wondering if it's the US or Canada. The other details such as maker, model, and FTR are on the left side of the receiver, either very lightly stamped, or engraved with an electric pencil. When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. A small number of aluminum mouthpieces are known, along with a single brass mouthpiece example (discussed below). by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50, Post Most of the parts are interchangeable, the only major difference is usually the factory marking, if it is present. $40.59. II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. This is not to say that Enfield serial numbers provide no information or that they are not an interesting subject. After wrapping the point, this bayonet would have been oiled and sealed in clear plastic. The Government assigned each manufacturer a Dispersal Code to use in lieu of their trademark. I'll shoot some pictures of mine this weekend if you want. I rifle, the No. Snipers in the field (Europe) were prove to take a Bren length webbing sling and leave the 1907 Leather behind. The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. 2. It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an "X" mark on the upper left flat on top of the left fore end that holds the receiver wall. They may or may not have the serial stamped into the front part of the fore-end and in the case of the Australian Lithgows it may be stamped into the butt as well. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). 3. Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($5.68) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $600.00 . Spike: C-Broad Arrow acceptance mark (electropenciled). 1 Mk. Five distinctly different markings were used (all are pictured at left): Lucas marked the bayonets with M158 on the top of the socket. 4Mk. I sniper variants. 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